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Post by agent on Nov 17, 2015 7:55:29 GMT
Well, I'm also not a fan in general of extensive cut scenes or things that are too 'scripty'. I can count on two fingers the games that have had emotional reactions from me, and they were entirely unexpected moments on both counts. My disappointment with this may well have had much to do with the reputation it already had (I didn't play it on PS3), so the emotional side of it was pretty predictable. Plus, I just got bored trudging from A to B. And Americans have this weird thing about beards - they think they're cool. He needed a shave. But all games boil down to trudging from A-B. Even open world ones ultimately have you heading to that next marker.
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Post by glassmoon on Nov 17, 2015 8:59:24 GMT
Plus, I just got bored trudging from A to B. And Americans have this weird thing about beards - they think they're cool. He needed a shave.
haha. Would you waste a shiv by using it to shave yourself?
Anyway, i kind get what you saying but on the other hand, movies are scripted, books are "scripted" 90% of the games are heavily scripted and the other 10% and somehow scripted. That´s the nature of story telling mate. You cant tell a story if it doesnt exist by itself already.
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Post by Pigmagnet on Nov 17, 2015 9:26:12 GMT
But all games boil down to trudging from A-B. Even open world ones ultimately have you heading to that next marker. All games don't involved trudging from A to B, and even those that do, can allow you to choose different paths.
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Post by Pigmagnet on Nov 17, 2015 9:30:15 GMT
Anyway, i kind get what you saying but on the other hand, movies are scripted, books are "scripted" 90% of the games are heavily scripted and the other 10% and somehow scripted. That´s the nature of story telling mate. You cant tell a story if it doesnt exist by itself already.
Books, movies and games are three entirely different things, for more reasons than I have time to list. What works in one won't necessarily work in the other. And did you get your last sentence out of a fortune cookie? The world just has to face the fact that not everybody loves The Last of Us!
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Post by glassmoon on Nov 17, 2015 9:57:48 GMT
i was just talking about what you said about scripted games. I wasnt talkign about Tlou but in games in general. Again, i get what you´re saying but even a game like Skyrim is scripted. It just gives you more scripts then usual. Personally i prefer open world games but sometimes i just like a linear game with a good story just like a book or a movie. I dont see too much diference apart from one being interactive while the others aren´t.
Anyway, i didnt mean to judge or opinion in anyway so sorry for the "chinese cookie" quote.
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Post by Pigmagnet on Nov 17, 2015 10:15:16 GMT
Righto, points taken. Just so we're clear, I'm not 'bashing' it. It claimed many hours from me before I stopped, and if I hadn't liked it I wouldn't have wasted time on it. I found things to like in it - the environments were superb, and the best thing about it - but ultimately the emotional element, which seems to be what it gets most praise for, just didn't click with me. And no matter what the game, I can't forget the fact that I'm just listening to actors in a studio, who often aren't very good, mouthing along to polygons on a screen. I can lose meself in a good film, but it rarely happens in a game. I think standards for what constitutes 'good acting' are lower in games than in the movies.
For the record, the two games I mention that did trigger an emotional response, and in both cases it's partly because it was unexpected, are FF7 and Red Dead Redemption. RDR, coincidentally, is the best acted game I've played, but even some of its cut scenes were interminable. (And no trudging - go where you want, on a horsey!)
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Post by agent on Nov 17, 2015 10:18:08 GMT
But all games boil down to trudging from A-B. Even open world ones ultimately have you heading to that next marker. All games don't involved trudging from A to B, and even those that do, can allow you to choose different paths. Name one. As I can't think of any so far. I'm not saying Last of us is amazing and everyone should love it. I know it has flaws. But it being linear isn't a negative in my opinion. Especially when the bits between points A and B are as interesting as they are in the last of us. Edit. Just seen your post above. I agree with the acting / story elements. For a game it was very well done and above par. However it still falls massively short of scripting you'd find on daytime tv. Also RDR has points A to B ? Even on a horse. You can wander around as much as you like. But the game will not progress until you head to that next objective marker.
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Post by glassmoon on Nov 17, 2015 10:36:20 GMT
I see your point. I cant say the actors were top notch all the time but they were good enough for me. Specially Ellie. I loved the way her character evolved during the story and there were some really nice details in her behavour. I remember thinking in one part after she suffered some really traumatic experience (im afraid of spoilers so i´ll leave it with a burning house) that if she were a real person she would never be the same after the events she suffered. And when the next section came, she was indeed broken, sad and a very diferent person that she had been up to that point. That was something that could easily be ignored by most games. Boss passed, get over it, next section, but in tlou, they took the time and effort to make it real and emotional. It was these things that won me over in the game. Maybe for a movie that´s nothing special cause its everyday´s business, but for a game its not that common, imo.
And i completely agree with you on RDR. Top game for me and i think it was the best ending of a game i´ve ever seen. I cried mate...
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Post by Pigmagnet on Nov 17, 2015 10:43:09 GMT
Also RDR has points A to B ? Even on a horse. You can wander around as much as you like. But the game will not progress until you head to that next objective marker. You seem to have got it into your head that I regard any sort of in-game travelling as a trudge. What I meant from my comment about TLOU - which I thought was pretty obvious - was that it had become a trudge.
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Post by glassmoon on Nov 17, 2015 10:50:41 GMT
Sometimes games just dont click for whatever reasons. Believe it or not, it took me 3 times for RDR to click for me. Also, everybody talked wonders of Ni no Kuni but i was so bored after 10 hrs that i had to quit and never felt like playing again.
I think one of the main reasons is the settings. RDR was hard for me cause i never wanted to go into the wild west setting. I was all into post-apocaliptic, sci fi and horror stuff so the setting didnt apeal to me at all during all those tries. Untill one day that i felt "well...i could do some western right now" and it click.
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Post by Pigmagnet on Nov 17, 2015 10:57:39 GMT
If the wild west in a game didn't appeal to you, there was obvious something wrong with you! Good to see you got better.
Was Ni No Kuni the Ghibli game? As a massive fan of the studio I'd have been all over that, but my PS3 had died, and I'd decided not to replace it.
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Post by glassmoon on Nov 17, 2015 11:06:58 GMT
lol. Amen for that.
It is indeed. The game is all beautifull and many say its a masterpiece. It was just to childish for me at the time. I just couldnt get into it and it had one of the things i really cant stand in games. Those jrpg arena battles with the same music over and over and over. After sometime it really gets on my sanity. But its a AAA game in every definition of the term. If you´re a fan then im sure you´ll love it.
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Post by Pigmagnet on Nov 17, 2015 11:17:14 GMT
Well, I am a fan, but the very thing that you said annoyed you would probably get me too. I've got a FF7 game in progress on the Vita, but rarely dip into it now because the random battles that I loved on the PS just irritate me now. Ni No Kuni looked fantastic, but at the time, I wasn't going to replace a console I didn't miss just for one game - Ghibli or not.
Then again, if the PS4 died today, there's a chance I wouldn't feel the need to replace it until No Man's Sky next year.
I've just realised - not a massive fan of TLOU, Uncharteds, or Fallouts... there's obviously something wrong with me!!
Oh how I laughed!
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Post by glassmoon on Nov 17, 2015 11:23:25 GMT
Uncharted´s i tottally get it. Im not much of a fan myself. Tlou is bad but ok...you explained your point in a good and convincing way. But Fallout? Man...what´s wrong with you?? Get yourself together man!! haha
I had to edit it cause i too have FFX on idle on my Vita cause of the same reason. That breaking glass on every battle makes me paranoid.
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Post by Variable-Silence on Nov 18, 2015 22:11:27 GMT
I've probably got more hours on tlou than any other game, online play that is.
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